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	<title>Comments on: There are PLENTY of IP Addresses!!</title>
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		<title>By: Chris Grundemann</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting take, as someone who has been deeply involved in this conversation for over three years now I do have a couple of questions:

1) Where did you get your fewer than 300 million users number? From the numbers I have seen, we crossed that line before the turn of the century. The latest number I have seen is closer to 2billion![1] In fact, the CIAs estimate from 2008 shows over 700 million users in just the top 5 Internet using countries.[2]

2) Do you understand that the Internet requires more than one address per user? Laptop, PC, Cell-Phone, Voip-Phone, Etc. Plus you need addresses for network infrastructure; routers switches, DNS servers, firewalls, etc. And let&#039;s not forget that the servers you are accessing on the Internet need addresses too - every website, mail server, instant messaging service, online store, etc...

3) How exactly do you propose ARIN (or the other four RIRs) to reclaim addresses? Let&#039;s say there is a lot of waste. OK, how do you get the address back? If company A has under-utilized IPv4 space and you give part of that space to company B, but company A continues to advertise that space to the Internet - then how does company B use the space?

ARIN and the other RIRs are working on a possible solution to the last point, it is called secure interdomain routing (SIDR) but is not a standard yet and will take time to deploy.

I am glad to see some interest in this topic here but I think you are basing your conclusion on bad data and thus drawing an over-simplified conclusion. If you think I am wrong, please jump onto the ARIN public policy mailing list (PPML)[3] and suggest your idea there. ARIN is a completely open, transparent and ground-up organization. Their policy is driven by the community, so you can share your ideas and if others agree it will become policy.

1 - http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm
2 - https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2153rank.html
3 - https://www.arin.net/participate/mailing_lists/index.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting take, as someone who has been deeply involved in this conversation for over three years now I do have a couple of questions:</p>
<p>1) Where did you get your fewer than 300 million users number? From the numbers I have seen, we crossed that line before the turn of the century. The latest number I have seen is closer to 2billion![1] In fact, the CIAs estimate from 2008 shows over 700 million users in just the top 5 Internet using countries.[2]</p>
<p>2) Do you understand that the Internet requires more than one address per user? Laptop, PC, Cell-Phone, Voip-Phone, Etc. Plus you need addresses for network infrastructure; routers switches, DNS servers, firewalls, etc. And let&#8217;s not forget that the servers you are accessing on the Internet need addresses too &#8211; every website, mail server, instant messaging service, online store, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>3) How exactly do you propose ARIN (or the other four RIRs) to reclaim addresses? Let&#8217;s say there is a lot of waste. OK, how do you get the address back? If company A has under-utilized IPv4 space and you give part of that space to company B, but company A continues to advertise that space to the Internet &#8211; then how does company B use the space?</p>
<p>ARIN and the other RIRs are working on a possible solution to the last point, it is called secure interdomain routing (SIDR) but is not a standard yet and will take time to deploy.</p>
<p>I am glad to see some interest in this topic here but I think you are basing your conclusion on bad data and thus drawing an over-simplified conclusion. If you think I am wrong, please jump onto the ARIN public policy mailing list (PPML)[3] and suggest your idea there. ARIN is a completely open, transparent and ground-up organization. Their policy is driven by the community, so you can share your ideas and if others agree it will become policy.</p>
<p>1 &#8211; <a href="http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm</a><br />
2 &#8211; <a href="https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2153rank.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2153rank.html</a><br />
3 &#8211; <a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/mailing_lists/index.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.arin.net/participate/mailing_lists/index.html</a></p>
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